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01 September 2010
22 June 2010
Series Finale, Initial Reaction to "The End"
It has taken me a long time to finally complete this post. I swear to Duct Tape that I literally spent at least 80 hours working on this damn post. Between taking notes from watching the episode, to typing them all out, to organizing all my thoughts in a coherent manner.. It has taken forever. But, I enjoyed it all. Working on this has really helped me to explore and understand the entire episode and how I felt about it.
I hesitate to say that it was everything that I'd hoped it would be, because really, I went into this entire season with a completely open mind, and was just allowing myself to fully enjoy it. With that being said, I could not have imagined "The End" being any better than what it was. The entire episode felt like an homage, a tribute, a love-letter even, to the fans of the show. It was a masterpiece. I had been anticipating this for years, since they announced that LOST would end in 2010, and, in my opinion, they delivered. It was thoughtful. It was heartfelt. It was touching. It made me realize that the past six years of my life were truly a great experience. It made me want to go back and watch the whole damn thing all over again. I fucking loved it. But, I also can understand why some people didn't like it. So, let's discuss all of that, and everything in between, shall we?
This is going to be a long one. Bear with me.
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I hesitate to say that it was everything that I'd hoped it would be, because really, I went into this entire season with a completely open mind, and was just allowing myself to fully enjoy it. With that being said, I could not have imagined "The End" being any better than what it was. The entire episode felt like an homage, a tribute, a love-letter even, to the fans of the show. It was a masterpiece. I had been anticipating this for years, since they announced that LOST would end in 2010, and, in my opinion, they delivered. It was thoughtful. It was heartfelt. It was touching. It made me realize that the past six years of my life were truly a great experience. It made me want to go back and watch the whole damn thing all over again. I fucking loved it. But, I also can understand why some people didn't like it. So, let's discuss all of that, and everything in between, shall we?
This is going to be a long one. Bear with me.
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18 May 2010
16 March 2010
Initial Reaction to "Dr. Linus"
Dr. Linus is a doctor? Didn't see that one coming! This episode was pretty awesome, though not as high-paced as I had anticipated. It was a very strong character episode, regardless of the pacing. Well, until the last two seconds when everything is all well and nice and everyone's hugging, and then the cheeriness is all blown to hell when Charles Widmore shows up to the party. Dude always has to ruin everything that's fun. Will he go on a baby killing tour around the island? Well, considering there are no longer any babies on the island at the moment... maybe he'll re-kill Claire's squirrel baby. That thing is the only thing that's more of a mood-killer than Widmore. But, I guess we'll only find out what his deal is in the weeks to come (Though probably not next week because they always like to do that to us. Grrrrr!). Enough chatter, let's get into it, Dr. Linus...
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03 February 2010
Season Premiere, Initial Reaction to "LA X (Parts 1 & 2)"
WOW. After about 18 hours, and watching it for a second time, I'm still trying to process last night's episode. You would think that after about Five Seasons of an intricate and confusing Television Show, that it would be a little less confusing and hard to wrap your brain around in its Final Season. Nope. I am more confused now than ever before, which is not to say that I don't like where it is headed or that I don't have some theories on said-heading. The biggest thing that I feel coming out of last night's Season Premiere of LOST is that I am proud to say that I watch this show. Sure, sometimes it makes me want to bang my head against a wall, and sometimes I don't agree with the turns it takes, BUT. This show is fearless, and perhaps the most fearless Television Show to ever grace Network Television. It's not afraid to shock us. It's not afraid to kill of our main characters. Hell, it's not even afraid to make an ISLAND a main character, move it through space and time, create an alternate timeline, and then sink it to the bottom of the ocean. For that, I am proud, because LOST doesn't assume that I am not intelligent enough or that I don't have the patience to be challenged into venturing into the unknown. This is one of the many reasons that LOST is not just a Television Show. It is knowledge. It is infinite possibilities. It's not afraid to take risks, to take a chance, to teach us something about ourselves. And as much as I will be so sad when this show ends, I am glad that it's ending.
From Lostpedia
"It only ends once, everything else is just progress."
From Lostpedia
"It only ends once, everything else is just progress."
WHISPERS:
coffin,
death,
Desmond Hume,
flash sideways,
Flight 815,
guitar case,
Island,
Jacob,
Jughead,
Juliet Burke,
knives,
Los Angeles,
Man in Black,
Richard Alpert,
Sayid Jarrah,
Smoke Monster,
the incident,
The Swan,
The Temple,
time
01 February 2010
Questions & Predictions on LOST SEASON SIX!
I can't believe that it's finally here. I've spent over five years religiously, and almost frighteningly, dedicated to this show. I watched from the first moment it was on the screen. Who would've thought that I'd be here right now and that I'd learn so much from a television show. It feels bittersweet right now, as I am glad that it is ending because we'll get the story that was supposed to be told, but I'm also sad. But for right now, I'm going to be excited, and I am sure that when it all comes to an end, I'll spent a lot of time reflecting on the series as a whole.
Here are some of my thoughts, questions and predictions for the FINAL SEASON OF LOST (!!!):
Some of the questions that I ABSOLUTELY NEED answered:
Here are some of my thoughts, questions and predictions for the FINAL SEASON OF LOST (!!!):
Some of the questions that I ABSOLUTELY NEED answered:
- What is the Smoke Monster? How was it created?
- Why is it afraid of the security fences but can be summoned from inside the barracks?
- How is the island moving through time and space?
- Why is Desmond special? Will he go back to the island?
- Why is Walt special? Will we ever see him again?
- What is Richard Alpert's story? How did he get to the island?
- Why doesn't he age? Why did Jacob do that to him?
- What is the story of the Black Rock? How did it get to the middle of the island?
- What is the sickness? Did Rousseau have it?
- What or who are the whispers?
- Who are Adam and Eve?
- Did the bomb go off? Is it what caused the incident?
- Who is the good guy, Jacob or the Man in Black?
- What are the rules and why must there be a loophole?
- How did Jacob and the Man in Black get to the island?
- When and how was the four-toed statue destroyed?
- Is Aaron special? If so, why?
- What happened to Claire? Did she die?
- Will she ever find out that Jack is her brother?
- Why did Desmond have a flash of Claire getting on a helicopter?
- Will Claire and Aaron ever be reunited?
- Will Claire or Aaron ever get Charlie's ring?
- Will John Locke ever get redemption?
- Is Christian Shephard really dead? Was he on the island before?
- Why did Jacob visit some survivors of Oceanic Flight 815 at an early age?
- Why did he visit some as an adult and some after the crash?
- Why did Jacob touch some of them?
- Why can't women give birth on the island?
- What is the significance of the numbers? Why are they cursed?
- Who built the frozen donkey wheel?
- What is The Temple for? Who created it?
- Who was the first to discover the island?
- Why is the island capable of healing people?
- Why does the island have a pocket of electromagnetism?
- How did The Swan fix that problem and why didn't they just built an automated system?
- Is Sayid dead? Is Juliet dead? Is John Locke really dead?
- Why did it seem as if Jacob was prepared to die? Did he know what was going to happen?
- What is the significance of the hieroglyphs on the island?
- Why did they all have to go back to the island?
- What is the island? Why is it special? Why are they all there?
- What's Libby's story? Why was she in Santa Rosa? Was she working for Widmore?
- Who and where is Annie? What happened to her?
- What happened to the Hurley bird?
- Why was Ilana covered in bandages and speaking Russian?
- Who killed Nadia? Was it Ben? Did Jacob save Sayid or kill Nadia?
- Was Richard Malkin a fraud or did he know Claire's plane would crash on the island?
- Why do the others always say they're the good guys?
- Why do they kidnap children?
- What happened with Walt when he was with the others?
- What is the magic box?
- How did Anthony Cooper get to the island?
- When did the purge occur? Who was in charge of it?
- Why did Radzinsky build a blast door map if he knew where the stations all were already?
- Did Radzinsky really kill himself?
- Why did Richard say that he watched them all die?
- How did Ben and others get to and from the island so freely and how often did they leave?
- John Locke will get some sort of redemption.
- We will find out who Adam and Eve are.
- We probalby won't find out more about Walt, unfortunately.
- However, I think Walt having dreams about John Locke and what he says to him about him "wearing a suit, and people standing around you, trying to hurt you." are significant.
- I'm almost positive that we will finally get a Richard Alpert backstory.
- (More of a hope than a prediction.) PLEASE let the love triangle be over.
- Desmond will be important. We will learn why he is special and why the rules just don't apply to him.
- I'm starting to lean more and more toward them not crashing on the island, and landing in Los Angeles.
- We will finally find out what the island is and why they are there.
- We will learn more about the bomb going off, if it actually did, and what happens as a result of that.
- I really feel like the whole story is somehow going to come full circle, and I've felt that way since some time late in Season 2. I would not be surprised if the ending to the show was actually the beginning in some form or fashion and we learned that all we've watched was a way of getting everything right and back to the way it's supposed to be somehow. That would not shock me.
- The two opposing sides have been going on for a long time. There's Jacob and the Man in Black, Benjamin Linus and Charles Widmore, Jack Shephard and John Locke. There will be great significance to this.
- This has all probably been going on for a very long time, and has taken a very long time to get to whatever the end point actually is. All of these people are special because they fix the timeline somehow.
- My biggest hope for the ending is that it will be left with some mystery and it will be something that grows on you over time, becoming more and more significant and mind-blowing as you think about it. I want it to be something that was clearly there all along, but never in your face; something that makes you go back and watch every episode again and you can't believe that you didn't see it.
- I really trust the writers of this show, so regardless of if there will be things I like or not, which I'm sure there will be, I believe it will all work itself out in a satisfying way.
- It will be amazing, scary, awesome, mind-blowing, bittersweet, sad, happy.
- I can't wait!
26 January 2010
5.13 Some Like it Hoth
- A microwave reads 3:16, a man says I'm telling you it's a steal at 400, in an apartment, he asks if a woman has to check with her husband, she says that it's just her, a boy calls his mommy, comes in, asks if he can have a quarter for the vending machine, the mother says I told you to wait by the pool, the man says that he thought it was just you, she says that she meant her husband was out of the picture, that it's just her and her son, the man says he doesn't know, that most of the other tenants, they don't like noise, woman says he's very quiet, man says he's going to need two months up front, she gives the boy a quarter, he leaves, she tells him no running, says you hear me, Miles, the boy walks around, a car alarm goes off, he goes to the vending machine, but he has a vision, a feeling, he goes to apartment #4, touches the door, looks down at a rabbit, takes the key out from underneath, opens the door, looks inside, he yells for his mom, mommy, help, they go in the apartment, a man is dead on the floor, the landlord says it's Mr. Vonner, Miles' mom asks what were you doing in here, Miles says that man was all alone, that he was scared, and his chest hurt, he kept calling out for Kimberly, the landlord says that was his wife, that she died last year, asks Miles how he would know that, Miles says that he heard him, mom says what are you talking about, Miles says he's still talking right now, mom says he's dead, Miles says he told her, he could hear him.
From Lostpedia
- "He... he was all alone. He was scared. His chest hurt. He kept calling out for Kimberly. I heard him." Miles "Miles, what are you talking about?" Lara "He's still talking right now." Miles "Honey... he's dead." Lara "I told you! I can hear him! I can hear him!" Lara
- Sawyer calls Miles on his walkie, Miles asks where he's been, Sawyer says he needs him to take care of something, the security tapes from the pylon cameras feeds, they need to accidentally get erased, Miles asks why, Sawyer says that he doesn't have time for questions, to just do it, he tells him to look on his monitors to see which ones, asks Miles if he sees them, Miles says he's on #4, asks is that Kate, Sawyer says to just erase it, and if anyone asks, he's off the grid, he's looking for the escape hostile, Miles says you mean your pal, Sayid, Sawyer asks if he's going to help him or not, Miles says yes, he has it, Sawyer says he owes him one.
From Lostpedia
- Sawyer tells Kate to go back and find Juliet, see what they know so far, he's going to find Sayid, going to do his best to cover it up, in case she hasn't noticed, he's head of security, Kate leaves.
- Horace goes into security, asks Miles where's La Fleur, Miles says he's out looking for escaped prisoner, that he must be out of range, tried to reach him on his walkie, Horace says he needs La Fleur, but he's going to have to ask Miles for a favor, Horace says that he's going to bring him into the circle of trust, asks Miles can I trust you, Miles says absolutely, Horace says take this out to Radzinsky, at grid 334, he says that he's going to give him something in return, to bring it back to him with no questions asked, Horace asks Miles does he understand, Miles says they're not supposed to be in 334, he asks isn't that hostile territory, Horace says welcome to the circle of trust, Miles doesn't get the tape, he leaves in a DHARMA van, drives, Radzinsky comes out from nowhere, stops the van, points a rifle at Miles, Radzinsky says what are you doing out here, that he was expecting La Fleur, Miles says La Fleur is busy, that Horace sent him instead, that he's in the circle of trust, Radzinsky says to get out, Miles says he's supposed to give him this, hands him a package, and says that Horace said he had something for him, Radzinsky whistles, calls someone out, he opens the package, men come out of the jungle with a body on a stretcher, Miles asks what happened to him, Radzinsky says he had an accident, Miles asks what kind of accident, Radzinsky says that he fell into a ditch, Miles looks at the body, sees a hole in the man's head, he asks if the ditch had a gun, Radzinsky says it doesn't matter what happened, because knowing that is not his job, that his job is to do what he tells him to, the men cover up body, put it into the back of the van, Radzinsky says to take him back to Horace now, Miles, Miles gets in, then looks at the body in the back of the van, opens up the body bag to see a man, Miles says okay, asks the body, so what really happened.
From Lostpedia
- "Um... we're not supposed to be in 3-3-4. Isn't that Hostile territory?" Miles
- Knocking on a door, Apartment #7, Miles, a teenager, dressed punk, a woman answers, Miles says that he needs to see her, the woman lets him in, a dog is barking outside, Miles' mom is very sick, she looks like she's dying, possibly of cancer, she's in a hospital bed, really sick, losing her hair, Miles sits down next to her, Miles says mom, it's me, she wakes, she says Miles, Miles says that he's sorry that he couldn't make it by sooner, she says it's okay, that he's here now, she asks why did you come, Miles, he says he needs her to tell him why he's this way, how he does the things he does, and he needs to know why she won't talk to him about his father, she says because he never cared about them, never cared about him, Miles says needs to know where he is, she says it doesn't matter where, Miles says it does matter, she says please, Miles says that he has a right to know, she says that he's dead, your father, kicked us out when he was just a baby, he didn't want anything to do with us, so the less you knew about him, the better, Miles says why didn't she just tell him, she says because it was over, your dad has been dead a long time, Miles asks where's his body, she says that it's somewhere he could never go.
From Lostpedia
- "I need you to tell me why I'm this way... how... how I do the things I do. And I need to know why you won't talk to me about my father." Miles "He's dead. [Miles releases his mother's hand in shock.] Your father... kicked us out when you were just a baby. He didn't want anything to do with us. So, the less you knew about him, the better." Lara "Why didn't you just tell me?" Miles "Because it was over. Your dad has been dead a long time." Lara "Where's his body?" Miles "Somewhere you can never go." Lara
- Miles back at security, Horace on the phone, he says Pierre, if it was about the electromagnetism, they need to know, he says that he just got back, I'll send him out with it right away, Horace hangs up, asks Miles did he bring the package, Miles says package, you mean the corpse, Horace says yeah, now he needs him to bring it to Dr. Chang down at The Orchid, Miles says listen, he's security, if he just needs someone to drive a van, can't someone from the Motor Pool do it, Horace says since La Fleur decided to disappear, he's all he's got, so just bring it out to Dr. Chang, and they'll all call it a day, Miles leaves.
- Hurley is outside, putting stuff in Miles' van, Miles says he can't, Hurley says he just signed it out, asks Miles where he's going, he says to The Orchid, Hurley says he is too, that he made sandwiches for the crew, ham and cheese, asks if Miles wants one, says and he made his secret garlic mayo, Miles says he's waiting for the neext van, Hurley asks why, he says they're going to the same place, why don't they carpool, he says that it'll help them with global warming, which hasn't happened yet, so maybe they can prevent it, he says wait a second, aks Miles if he's on some kind of secret mission, Miles says to just get in.
- Juliet at the Infirmary, Kate comes in, Juliet asks how'd it go, Kate says they gave him to the others, Juliet asks if anyone saw them, Kate says she doesn't think so, Juliet asks did James help, Kate says yes, thank you so much for sending him, Roger comes in with a crate of things from The Staff, says he got there as soon as he could, he's out of breath, notices that Ben is no longer there, an empty bed, he says where's Ben, asks did he, Juliet says no, that she's so sorry, she was gone for ten minutes, she doesn't know what happened, Roger says she's his doctor, she's supposed to watch him, Juliet says she doesn't know, Roger says he's going to security, he leaves, Juliet tells Kate, well, here we go.
- "Well... here we go." Juliet
- In DHARMA van, Hurley writes in a notebook, Hurley asks Miles how you spell bounty hunter, Miles asks what he's doing, writing memoirs, Hurley says it's personal, asks Miles dude, did you just, you know, it stinks, Miles says no, Hurley says well it wasn't him, Miles says so roll down window, Hurley does, but says it's not him, it stills stinks in here, it's coming from back there, Miles says maybe it's his famous garlic mayo, Hurley says that's not possible, okay maybe it is possible, tells Miles to pull over, he has to check, Miles says he's imagining things, Hurley says if those sandwiches are bad, people could get sick, yells for Miles to pull over, Hurley goes in back to check, looks through things, smelling, finds the body, says dude there's a body bag back here, with a body in it, Miles says that's traditionally what you put in a body bag, Hurley asks well who he is, what happened, Miles says don't worry about it, and don't tell anyone you saw him, Hurley asks what happened, Miles says his name is Alvarez, he was digging a hole, and thinking about some chick named Andrea, then he felt this sharp pain in his mouth, which turned out to be a filling from his tooth being yanked right out of its socket, and blowing through his brain, then he was dead, Hurley asks how does a filling get blown through someone's head, Miles says let's go, Hurley asks how he knows all of this, Miles says because he knows, Hurley asks but how does he know what he was thinking, Miles says he just knows, Hurley says he can talk to dead people, Miles says please just go, Hurley says don't worry dude, your secret's safe with me, you want to know why, Miles says no, Hurley says because he can talk to them too.
From Lostpedia
- "His name's Alvarez. He was digging a hole and thinking about some chick named Andréa. Then he felt this sharp pain in his mouth, which turned out to be a filling from his tooth being yanked right out of its socket and... blowing through his brain. Then he was dead." Miles "How does a filling get blown through someone's head?" Hurley
- "How do you know all this?" Hurley "Because... I know." Miles "Yeah, but how do you know what he was thinking?" Hurley "I just know." Miles "You can talk to dead people." Hurley "Can we please just go?" Miles "Don't worry, dude. Your secret's safe with me. You wanna know why?" Hurley "No." Miles "'Cause I can talk to 'em, too." Hurley
- Miles with man, looking at picture of boy in a football uniform, says if you don't mind, Mr. Gray, can you tell me what happened to him, he says last Labor Day weekend, a drunk driver ran a red light, Miles asks how his son was buried, Mr. Gray says he cremated him, scattered his ashes around the football field at his school, Miles says that what he does, it's much better if there's a body, Mr. Gray says but his ad said, he could communicate with the dead, any time, anywhere, Miles says he knows what the ad said, Mr. Gray says he just wants him to ask, did he know that he loved him, Miles says it's going to cost extra, Mr. Gray says of course, gives him more money, Miles says okay, now give him his hands, he says to concentrate on Russel, just get a picture of him in his head, asks can he do that, Mr. Gray says yeah, Miles focuses, Mr. Gray asks did it work, Miles says his son says that he knew that he loved him, that he always knew, Mr. Gray says thank you, Miles says I'm sorry for your loss.
- "For what I do, it's much better if there's a body." Miles
- Miles leaving Mr. Gray's house, putting his things in the trunk of his car, Naomi approaches him, asks if he's Miles Straume, introduces herself as Naomi Dorrit, says her employer has been following his work for some time now, and he's interested in following his rather unique services, she says there's a restaurant not too far from there, asks Miles if he wants to hear what she has to say, Mile says yes, absolutely, he leaves with her.
From Lostpedia
- "Hi. My name's Naomi Dorrit. [Naomi hands Miles a business card.] My employer's been following your work for some time now, and he's interested in retaining your rather unique services." Naomi
- On island, Roger drinks a beer on the swing-set, Kate sees him, decides to join him, says hey Roger, asks if he's okay, Roger says let me see, well my son got shot, and now he's disappeared, so I think I'm pretty far form okay, Kate says you know I'm sure things are going to work out, Roger say well thanks for the pep talk, Kate drinks a beer with him, says she just has a feeling he's going to be okay, Roger seems surprised by this, asks what she means, a feeling, Kate says she just doesn't think that he should give up hope, Roger asks if she knows something, does she know what happened to his son, Kate says no she doesn't, Roger says wait a minute, why is she so interested in his son, Kate says she's just trying to help, Roger says if she wants to help, why doesn't she just mind her own business, Kate leaves.
From Lostpedia
- In the DHARMA van, Miles and Hurley listen to Love Will Keep Us Together, Hurley writes in his notebook, says he doesn't know why Miles won't just admit it, that he can trust him, he talks to lots of dead people, Miles says so he has conversations with them, like they're his pals, Hurley says sure all the time, sometimes they even play chess, Miles says he actually sees them, Hurley says why wouldn't he, Miles says because that's not how it works, Hurley calls him out, says he wouldn't know how it works if he didn't do it, Miles says what he can do has nothing to do with chatting with ghosts, that it's a feeling, a sense, when somebody's dead, their brain stops functioning, it's just who they were and how they died, Hurley says that's not how it works for him, Miles says good, he's happy for him, Hurley says he's just jealous his powers are better than his, they're here, Miles says shut the hell up and deliver is damn sandwiches.
- "I don't know why you just won't admit it. You can trust me. I talk to lots of dead people." Hurley "So, you have conversations with them, like they're your pals?" Miles "Sure, all the time. Sometimes we even play chess." Hurley "You actually see them?" Miles "Of course. Why wouldn't I?" Hurley "Because that's not how it works." Miles "Aha! You wouldn't know how it works unless you can do it." Hurley "What I can do has nothing to do with chatting with ghosts, you nitwit. It's a... feeling... a sense. When somebody's dead, their brain stops functioning, which means there's no more talking. There's just who they were and whatever they knew before they died." Miles "That's how it works for me." Hurley
- They're at The Orchid, they get out of DHARMA van, Pierre Chang is there, Hurley begins to unload his food, Pierre comes over, he asks Miles what Hurley is doing there, Miles says he came to deliver lunch to the work crew, Pierre says lunch, his instructions were to come alone, Hurley says don't worry, that he won't tell anyone about the body, Pierre asks he knows, Miles says he was rooting around the back, he saw it, Hurley says don't worry he can keep a secret, Pierre says he better, Hurley, because if he thinks working in the kitchen is bad, Hurley says he likes working in the kitchen, Pierre asks well how does he feel about polar bear feces, because if he breathes one word of this, he'll have him shipped off to Hydra island, so he can weigh turds for their ridiculous experiments, Hurley says gross, Pierre says you two, talks to two men who work at The Orchid, tells them to take the package inside, and you, Miles, stay here until he gets back, says think you can handle that, Miles says yes sir, men take the body out of the trunk, Hurley says dude that guy is a total douche, Miles says that douche is my dad.
From Lostpedia
- Miles tells Naomi she did say she was taking him out to dinner, Naomi says no, she said she was taking him to a restaurant, they go into a restaurant kitchen, which is closed, Miles says want to tell him what's back here, Naomi says his audition, there's a body on the table, Naomi unzips it, Miles says look, whatever she has going on here, this isn't really his thing, Naomi says from what she understands, if the price is right, this is exactly his thing, she tosses Miles some money, Naomi asks so what can he tell her about this man, Miles goes over to the body, he focuses on it, gets his feeling, he says that his name was Felix, he was on his way to deliver something to a guy named Widmore, Naomi asks deliver what, Miles says a bunch of papers, photos, pictures, of empty graves, a purchase order for an old airplane, Miles says so did he pass, Naomi says she's leading an expedition to an island, and on that island is a man that will be very difficult to find, that's why she needs him, Miles says why, Naomi says this island has a number of deceased individuals residing on it, as is this man was the one responsible for the deceased, we believe they can supply valuable information about his whereabouts, Miles says as much as hunting down a mass murderer sounds really safe, he's going to pass, Naomi says her employer is willing ot pay him $1.6 Million, Miles says when do we leave.
From Lostpedia
- "His name's Felix. He was... on his way to deliver something to, uh... [The whispering continues.] A guy named... Wid-more." Miles "Deliver what?" Naomi "A bunch of papers, photos, pictures... of... [the whispering continues] empty graves. A purchase order... for an old airplane. [Miles puts his head in his hands. Naomi zips up the body bag.] So... did I pass?" Miles
- "I'm leading an expedition to an island, and on the island is a man that will be very difficult to find. That's why I need you." Naomi "Need me for what?" Miles "This island has a number of deceased individuals... residing on it, and as this man is the one responsible for their being deceased, we believe they can supply invaluable information as to his whereabouts." Naomi
- Miles and Hurley, Hurley has a sandwich, says so anyway, Miles says he doesn't want to talk about it, Hurley says are you kidding me, how weird is it that your dad is that dude from all those movies, only back then, he was called Marvin Candle, asks if that was like a stage name, Miles says he doesn't want to talk about it, Hurley asks if he doesn't want to talk about it, then why did he tell him, asks how long he's known he was his dad, Miles says the third day they were there, he was in line at the cafeteria and his mother got in line behind him, that was his first clue, Hurley says but all the DHARMA dudes end up dead, Miles says he can't save them, that they're going to get killed no matter what he does, so why bother, Pierre Chang shows up.
- "But all those DHARMA dudes end up dead. Don't you wanna... save him?" Hurley "I can't save him! They're gonna get killed no matter what I do, so why bother?" Miles
- Pierre says he needs Miles to take him to Radzinsky at the worksite, immediately, he says you, Hurley, if you say a word, Hurley says polar bear poop, got it, Miles asks what happened to the body, Pierre says what body, the three of them get in the van.
- Jack cleaning a classroom, Roger comes in, says this room is on his rounds, why is he here, Jack says he figured he'd cover for him, after what happened to his son, Roger says which part, that he got shot, or that someone kidnapped him from the Infirmary, Jack says then what is he doing there, Roger says what else is he going to do, sit around and pray that those idiots find his boy, Roger says so he can get out of there, knocks things over, Roger says he came in here a couple of a days ago with that woman, Kate, Jack says yeah, Roger says you know her at all, Jack says why, Roger says she has some kind of weird thing for his kid, first she shows up at the Infirmary and gives his kid blood, and then when he goes missing, she comes to him and says don't worry, he's going to be okay, Roger says I'm going to tell you something, I'm beginning to think that she's got something to do with this, he says that he should go to Horace, report her, he asks Jack what do you think, Jack says he thinks that he's had a hell of a day, and that's giving him a very good excuse to go out and get drunk, and maybe that's put some crazy ideas into his head, he says that he knows that woman, Kate, that she's his friend, and she would never do anything to hurt his son, Roger says sure, he leaves.
- "I think, Roger, that, uh, that you've had a hell of a day, and that... it's given you a very good excuse to go out and get drunk. Maybe that's put some--some crazy ideas into your head. I know that woman--Kate. She's my friend, and she would never do anything to hurt your son." Jack
- In the DHARMA van, Hurley says that he's new here, Dr. Chang, asks what exactly it is he does down at The Orchid, Pierre says it's classified, Hurley says really, that he can't tell anyone, not even his wife, Pierre says no, Hurley asks what about his kids, Pierre says he has a three month old son, so no, Hurley says congrats, asks what's his name, Pierre says Miles, Hurley says small world, his name is Miles too, right Miles, Miles says yeah, Hurley asks so are you a fan of Jazz, Dr. Chang, like Miles Davis, Pierre says no, that his wife is, he says he likes Country, Miles scoffs at this, Hurley says so they've both been there three years, that they must be pretty tight by now, Miles says that Dr. Chang and him don't exactly travel in the same circles, Pierre says he wasn't aware there were circles, Hurley says great, that they should all get together for a beer some time, he says how awesome would that be, Pierre says to stop here, he gets out of the van, he opens a hidden gate camouflaged in jungle, he gets back in the van, they go in.
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- "So I'm new here, Dr. Chang. What is it exactly you do at The Orchid?" Hurley "It's classified." Dr. Chang
- Inside, there is a construction site, Chang gets out, says Miles doesn't need to wait, that he'll get a ride back with Radzinsky, Hurley asks what is this place, what's up with all the secrecy, Miles says he doesn't know and doesn't care, Hurley looks, he sees the hatch door, a guy asks what the serial number that goes on hatch lid is, another guy says it's 4 8 15 16 23, can't read the last number, says it's smudged, Hurley says that it's 42, Hurley is freaked out, Miles asks how the hell he knew that, Hurley says because they're building their hatch, Miles asks what hatch, Hurley says the one that crashed their plane.
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- "Dude, what is this place? And what's up with all the secrecy? " Hurley
- "Hey, Glenn! What's the serial number that goes on the hatch lid?" Worker "4, 8... [The first worker picks up metal stamps and pounds them into the metal hatch lid with a heavy mallet, one by one.] 15...16...23... Hold on a minute. It's smudged." Glenn "42." Hurley "42." Glenn "How the hell did you know that?" Miles "'Cause they're building our hatch." Hurley "What hatch?" Miles "The one that crashed our plane." Hurley
- Miles gets a taco, a van drives up next to him, a man says hey Miles, Miles asks do I know you, they get out, take him, put him in the van, drive off, Miles, my name is Bram, Miles says he owes him a fish taco, Bram says sorry about that, but his apartment is being watched, and they had to try their best to talk him out of working for Charles Widmore, Miles says he has no idea who that is, Bram says he's the man that chartered the boat he'll be getting on next week, and my friend, you don't want to be getting on that boat, he asks Miles do you know what lies in the shadow of the statue, Miles says no, he can't say that he does, Bram says he's not ready to go tot hat island, but if he goes with them, all those things he spent all his life trying to find out, he'll know, he'll know who he is, why it is he has a gift, and most of all, he'll know about his father, Miles says he doesn't know where he's been getting his intel, but he stopped caring about this father a long time ago, but he says that what he does care about is money, he says tell you what, if he wants him to pass on going to the island, it's going to have to cost him double, $3.2 million, Bram says they're not paying him anything, that all the money int he world isn't going to fill that empty hole inside him, Miles says that's sad isn't it, Bram says to toss him, they throw him out of van, Bram says that he's playing for the wrong team, Miles says what team are you on, Bram says the one that's going to win.
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- "Sorry about that, but your apartment's being watched. And we had to try our best to talk you out of working for Charles Widmore." Bram "I have no idea who that is." Miles "He's the man who chartered the boat you'll be getting on next week. And, my friend, you do not want to get on that boat. Do you know what lies in the shadow of the statue?" Bram "No, can't say that I do." Miles "Then you're not ready to go to that island. But if you come with us--all those things you've spent your life trying to find out? You'll know. You'll know who you are, Miles--why it is you have a gift, and most of all, you'll know about your father." Bram "I don't know where you've been getting your intel, but I stopped caring about my father a long time ago. What I do care about is money. So, I'll tell you what. You want me to pass on going to the Island? It's gonna cost you double what they offered--$3.2 million." Miles "We're not paying you anything. All the money in the world isn't gonna fill that empty hole inside you, Miles." Bram
- "You're playing for the wrong team!" Bram "Yeah? What team are you on?" Miles "The one that's gonna win." Bram
- Miles in DHARMA van, Hurley says that hatch that they're building, there's going to be an accident, and then they're going to have to build a computer with a button you have to push every 108 minutes so the world doesn't end, Hurley says so your dad, is he around, you know, where we came from, the future, Miles says no, Hurley says then this is kind of awesome, Miles says how is that awesome, Hurley says because then he gets to hangout with him, he can get to know him better, and don't bother thanking him, but he was totally down for that beer, Hurley says maybe he can hold baby him, or he can change his own diaper, Miles stops short, he says to listen up, because they're only going to have this conversation once, okay, Miles says he doesn't want to hangout wit his dad, he doesn't want to get to know him better and stuff, Hurley asks why not, asks did he beat him up when he as little, Miles says he wasn't even around when he was little, that he never even knew him, until now, Miles asks why am I even telling you this, Hurley says because he's in pain, Miles says he's not in pain, that his father is dead, he's gone, he never cared about him, and nothing he can do will ever change that, Hurley says but he's not gone, they just dropped him off, Miles says let's see what's going on with you, takes his notebook, gets out of the van, he reads it, "EXTERIOR, HOTH, a little spy robot thingy zips through the atmosphere, and crashes into the snowy planet below. That's when Chewbacca shows up and blasts it away with his crossbow laser. He shakes his fury fist in the sky in triumph. CHEWBACCA--Raaar." Hurley says it's furry fist, that he needs a spell-check, Miles asks what the hell is this, Hurley says he's writing The Empire Strikes Back, Miles says what, Hurley says it's 1977, so Star Wars just came out, and pretty soon, George Lucas is going to be looking for a sequel, he says that he's seen Empire like 200 times, so he figured he'd make life easier, and send him the script, with a couple of improvements, Miles says that has got to be the stupidest thing he's ever heard, Hurley says oh Yeah, well at least he's not scared to talk to his own dad.
- "That hatch they're building? There's gonna be an accident, then they're gonna have to build a computer with a button you have to push so the world doesn't end." Hurley
- "So your dad... is he around... you know, when we came from? The future?" Hurley "No." Miles "Well, then this is kind of awesome for you, huh?" Hurley "How is it awesome?!" Miles "Because you get to hang out with him, you know, get to know him better and stuff." Hurley
- "Listen up, 'cause we're only gonna have this conversation once. Okay? I don't want to "hang out" with my dad. I don't want to "know him better"... and stuff." Miles "Why not? Did he beat you up when you were little or something?" Hurley "He wasn't even around when I was little, you dimwit! I never knew him, until now. Why am I even telling you this?" Miles "'Cause you're in pain and you need to let it out." Hurley "I'm not in pain! It doesn't matter. My father is dead! He's gone! He never cared about me, and nothing I can do will ever change that. "But he's not gone. We just dropped him off." Miles
- Sawyer goes home, Juliet says he's back, Sawyer says barely, asks if she's ever had one of those days where you feel like a little Dutch boy with your finger in, he notices Jack is there, says what's going on, Jack says Ben's father thinks that Kate had something to do with his son going missing, Sawyer asks why the hell would he think that, Juliet says because she talked to him, tried to make him feel better, Sawyer says why the hell would she do that, Jack says her heart was in the right place, Sawyer says but where was her head, Jack says he had a talk with Roger, doesn't think he's going to say anything to anyone for now, just wanted him to know, Jack tells Juliet thank you, Sawyer says thanks for filling him in, Jack leaves.
- Sawyer goes outside, Phil comes over, says hey boss, they have a development, that he better come down to the office, La Fleur says he's been running around the jungle all day, so whatever development he's got, it can wait a while, Phil says he knows who took the kid, La Fleur asks who's that, Phil says you, La Fleur says he's got a perfectly good explanation for that, he escorts Phil inside, asks him if he's talked to Horace about it yet, Phil says no, that he thought that after three years of working together, he'd give him the benefit of the doubt, Sawyer knocks him out, tells Juliet to get some rope.
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- A man raking leaves, Mr. Gray, Miles comes back, says he hopes he doesn't mind, says his gate was open, he says Mr. Straume, of course, no problem, Miles comes with bag packed, Mr. Gray asks what brings him by, Miles says well sir, he's about to go on a boat trip for a while, wanted to give this back to you, he hands him an envelope with money, Miles says he lied to him, he wasn't able to talk to his son, Mr. Gray asks why tell him this, that he could've just let him go on believing, Miles says it wouldn't have been fair to his son, Mr. Gray says sorry, Miles says if he needed his son to know that he loved him, he should've told him when he was still alive, Miles leaves.
- "If you needed your son to know that you loved him, you should've told him when he was still alive." Miles
- Back at the barracks, Miles and Hurley get out of the van, Hurley says sorry he said he was afraid to talk to his dad, Miles says don't worry about it, Hurley says he used to hate his dad too, he tells Miles that he left when he was 10, but the best thing he ever did was give him a second chance, and they got to be the best of friends, and although he'll never see him again, he misses him and he knows that he feels the same way too, Miles says that his dad didn't leave when he was 10, he was a baby, he never knew him, and he doesn't want to, not happening, Hurley says that was Luke's attitude too, in Empire, Luke found out that Vader was his father, and instead of putting away his lightsaber and talking about it, he overreacted and got his hand cut off, he says they worked it out eventually, but at what cost, another Death Star was destroyed, Boba Fett got eaten by the Sarlacc, and they got the Ewoks, it all could have been avoided if they all just communicated, and let's face it, the Ewoks sucked, dude.
- "I used to hate my dad, too." Hurley "Yeah?" Miles "He left when I was 10. But, the best thing I ever did was give him a second chance. We got to be the best of friends, and although I may never see him again, I miss him. And I know he feels the same." Hurley "My dad didn't leave when I was 10. I--I was a baby. I never knew him. And I don't want to. It's not happening." Miles "That was Luke's attitude, too." Hurley "What?" Miles "In Empire, Luke found out Vader was his father, but instead of putting away his lightsaber and talking about it, he overreacted and got his hand cut off. I mean, they worked it out eventually, but at what cost? Another Death Star was destroyed, Boba Fett got eaten by the Sarlacc, and we got the Ewoks. It all could've been avoided if they'd just, you know, communicated. And let's face it. The Ewoks sucked, dude." Hurley
- Miles goes to his father's house, sees him through the window reading to his son, Miles, he cries, the phone rings in Pierre's house, his wife takes the baby, Pierre talks on the phone, says he'll be right there, he comes out of his house, sees Miles walking away, says he needs him, Miles says you do, Pierre says the sub is in from HQ, Miles says new recruits, Pierre says no, the sub is in from Ann Arbor, with scientists, he says they need to get the van and get to the dock.
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- "Miles! I need you. [Miles turns back around.] You do?" Miles "Sub's here from H.Q. I need your help bringing them in." Dr. Chang "Sure. New recruits?" Miles "No, uh, scientists from Ann Arbor. Get your van, and let's get to the dock." Dr. Chang
- At the Pala Ferry, Miles goes to submarine to help, he hears a man ask can he get a hand with this, getting out of sub, Miles helps, the man comes out of the submarine and it's Daniel Faraday, Miles is surprised to see him, Daniel says hey Miles, long time no see.
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- "Hey, Miles. Long time no see." Daniel
24 January 2010
5.11 Whatever Happened, Happened
- Jin in the jungle, someone radios his walkie, asks are you there, if he can hear him, Jin wakes up from being knocked out by Sayid, talks on his walkie, it's Phil, who asks where has he been, Phil says that the hostile escaped, that they're searching in the East grid, Jin says that he's heading North, Phil asks how he knows that, Jin says because he attacked him, Phil asks where are you, Jin sees Ben's body, Ben says to please help him, Jin picks him up, puts him in the DHARMA van, drives away.
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- Horace gathers everyone to explain the situation, he says to listen up, he says we don't know yet if another attack is coming, to take their security assignments, and make sure they're in contact with their team leaders, he says that La Fleur has search parties out, but the hostile has a jump on them, Hurley asks Jack if he's talking about Sayid, Jack asks if he was locked up, how he could start the fire, Horace says that someone else torched the van, gave him help, since the security cameras didn't catch any of the hostiles crossing the perimeter, he says it was one of them, they'll have a full report on cleanup.
- "We don't know yet if another attack is coming. So everybody needs to be ready for your security assignments. Make sure you're in contact with your team leaders. La Fleur's got search parties out, but the hostile's got a good jump on us. We're pretty sure he used this fire as a diversion in order to escape." Horace
- Roger Linus asks Kate for help with the van, but she doesn't know what he's talking about, Roger says to crank her up, asks if they just stuck her in the Motor Pool when she got there, Kate says yes, Roger says they couldn't sucker anyone into getting on the sub if they told them that they were going to be grease monkeys, Kate introduces herself, Roger says welcome aboard, tells her his name is Roger Linus, Kate says nice to meet you Roger, Jin shows up with Ben's body, Roger says that's his kid.
- Kate is driving, listening to Patsy Cline, she drives up to a house, parks n the driveway, takes Aaron out of the backseat, he's still a baby, only a few months old, Kate sings him Catch A Falling Star, she goes up to the house, rings the doorbell, Cassidy Phillips answers, she's surprised to see her, says she saw Kate on the news, told her friends she knows that woman, Kate introduces her to Aaron, Cassidy says that she survived a plane crash, that's amazing, tells Kate that she never thought she'd see her again, asks what she's doing there, Kate tells Cassidy that Sawyer sent her there.
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- "Oh, my God! I saw you on the news! I told all my friends, "I know that woman!" [To Aaron] Hi!" Cassidy "This is Aaron." Kate "Hi, Aaron." Cassidy "Say hi." Kate "You survived a plane crash. [Kate nods.] It's amazing. I never thought I'd see you again. What are you doing here?" Cassidy "Sawyer sent me." Kate
- Kate gives Cassidy an envelope filled with money, Cassidy says Sawyer, that son of a bitch is still alive, Kate says that he was when she left, Cassidy says so he asked her to go there and give her an envelope full of money, Kate says that he told her where to find her, and said to take care of Clementine, his daughter, Cassidy says she's asleep in her crib right now, doesn't want to wake her up, Kate says she shouldn't have bothered her, Cassidy says she could've sent it, asks why'd she tell her all of this, why did she trust her, Kate says that she thought her daughter had a right to know that her father cared about her, Cassidy asks why he didn't come back with them, Kate says that the helicopter they were on was running out of gas, so he jumped, so that they could make it to the boat, Cassidy says what a coward, Kate says he was trying to do the right thing, Cassidy says he was trying to get away from her, that she told him he had a daughter, and he never so much as lifted a finger to call her, so now she's supposed to think he's a hero because he told her to come there, she says she bets the money isn't even his, she asks is it, Kate says they gave a settlement after the crash, and she didn't need it all, Cassidy says she doesn't have to explain it, that she has the same look on her face that she had when Sawyer ditched her, Cassidy says that all she has for her is sympathy, she asks Kate is it his, her son, is it Sawyer's, Kate says no, she was pregnant before she met him, Cassidy says that's not her baby, she just told her that her and her friends cooked a whole story for the world about what happened on the island, she says that Kate tells her the truth about that, asks why is she lying about him, Kate says because she has to.
- "Why didn't he come back with the rest of you?" Cassidy "The helicopter that we were on was running out of gas, so he jumped so that we could make it to the boat." Kate "What a coward." Cassidy "He was trying to do the right thing." Kate "He was trying to get away from you. I told him he had a daughter. He never so much as lifted a finger to try to call her. So now I'm supposed to think he's a hero because he told you to come here and help us? Hell, I bet this money's not even his, is it?" Cassidy
- "That's not your baby, is it? Kate, you just told me that you and your friends cooked a story for the whole world about what happened on that island. So you tell me the truth about that? Why are you lying to me about him?" Cassidy "Because I have to." Kate
- At the Security station, Sawyer looks at the monitors, Kate comes in, asks what happened, Sawyer asks what she's doing there, Kate says that it's Ben, the kid that was shot was Ben, Sawyer says to keep her mouth shut and don't draw any attention to herself, to leave, he doesn't want her around here, Kate says she just wants to know what's going on, Horace comes in, asks what she's doing there, La Fleur says Kate, that she's new at the Motor Pool, he was just seeing if she saw anything suspicious but she didn't, Horace asks if he checked out the hostile's cell yet, La Fleur says he's been too busy trying to keep the town from burning down, they look at the cell, which has keys still in the cell door, they say he didn't break out, that someone let him out, La Fleur says they're janitor's keys, Horace says they only have three janitors, Roger, Willie and that new guy, that he just met him, his name is Jack, La Fleur says that he just brought him in on the sub, he will go talk to him, asks Miles to come with him, Miles says sure, boss.
- Sawyer tells Miles to find Jack, Hurley and Kate, to put them in a house and sit on them, he doesn't want them talking to anyone, doesn't want this thing to spin out of control, Miles says okay.
- La Fleur goes to the Infirmary, Roger is waiting there, he asks who did this, La Fleur says he's trying to figure that out, that he's going to talk to Juliet, asks Roger for his keys, but he doesn't have them, says he must have left them at home, La Fleur says it's okay, he goes inside.
- Juliet is trying to save Ben, but she can't stop the hemorrhaging, Sawyer asks where's the doctor that's supposed to be there, Juliet says he's at The Looking Glass station until Friday, Juliet says she can't fix it, that someone needs to get in there, find the damage, he needs a real surgeon.
- "No, it's not all right. Someone needs to get in there who can find the damage that bullet did and fix it. [Whispers] He needs a real surgeon." Juliet
- Miles with gun, Jack says he's telling him they're under house arrest, Miles says they're all free to leave whenever they want, but he'll shoot them in the leg, Jack asks and who's idea is this, Kate says that Sawyer's just doing his job, Hurley looks at his hand, says he's trying to see if he's disappearing, like Back to the Future, he says they came back in time to the island, that it can change stuff, he says that if little Ben dies, then he can't grow up to be big Ben, which means they don't come back to the island, therefore, they don't exist, Miles says that he's an idiot, that it doesn't work like that, you can't change anything, that his maniac, Iraqi buddy shot Linus, but it always happened, they just never experienced how it all turns out, Hurley says it's confusing, Miles says the good news is that Linus didn't die, which means the kid can't either, Kate says it didn't look like that, Miles says if he's wrong then they all stop existing, and then it doesn't matter.
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- "What the hell are you doing, Tubby?" Miles "Checking to see if I'm disappearing." Hurley "What?" Miles "Back to the Future, man. We came back in time to the island and changed stuff. So if little Ben dies, he'll never grow up to be big Ben, who's the one who made us come back here in the first place. Which means we can't be here. And therefore, dude? We don't exist." Hurley "You're an idiot." Miles "Am I?" Hurley "Yeah. It doesn't work like that. You can't change anything. Your maniac Iraqi buddy shot Linus. That is what always happened. It's just...we never experienced how it all turns out." Miles "This is really confusing." Hurley "Yeah, well, get used to it. But, the good news is that Linus didn't die, so that means the kid can't either. He'll be fine." Miles "Didn't look like he was gonna be fine. What if you're wrong?" Kate "Well, if I'm wrong, then I guess we all stop existing, and none of it matters anyway then, does it?" Miles
- Sawyer comes in, tells Jack they need his help, he says that the kid is losing blood, Jack says no, Sawyer says if he doesn't go with him, the kid is going to die, Jack says then he dies.
- "Juliet said the kid's losing blood, and we ain't gone none to put back in him. So, we need you to show us where he sprung a leak." Sawyer
- Kate asks Jack what he's doing, Jack says he's making a sandwich, Kate says he's just a boy, that they can't just let him die, Jack says she heard Miles, they can't change what happens, Kate says unless he's the one that's supposed to save him, Jack says that 30 years from now, that boy is going to be a man, that locks him in a cage because he needs surgery, and then she's going to come in and beg him to operate on him because he's threatening to murder Sawyer, he already said this once, he already saved Ben's life for her, and he's not going to do it again, Kate says it's their fault, that they brought Sayid back, they caused this, Jack says did she ever think that maybe the island just wants to fix things itself, that maybe he was just getting in the way, Kate says she doesn't like the new him, that she liked the old him, who wouldn't just sit around and wait for things to happen, Jack says she didn't like the old him, Kate leaves.
- "You heard Miles. We can't change what's already happened. This has nothing to do with me." Jack "Unless you're the one who's supposed to save him." Kate "30 years from now, that boy's gonna be a man...that locks me in a cage because he needs surgery. And then you're gonna come in and you're gonna beg me to operate on him because he's threatening to murder Sawyer. I've already done this once. [scoffs] I've already saved Benjamin Linus, and I did it for you, Kate. I don't need to do it again." Jack "This is our fault. We brought Sayid back. We caused this." Kate "You know, when we were here before, I spent all of my time trying to fix things. But...did you ever think that maybe the island just wants to fix things itself? And maybe I was just...getting' in the way?" Jack "You know, I don't like the new you. I liked the old you, who wouldn't just sit around and wait for things to happen." Kate "You didn't like the old me, Kate." Jack
- Juliet is trying to help Ben, Kate comes into the Infirmary, the nurse tells Juliet that she said Ben needed blood, and Kate's a universal donor, Juliet says that James told her that Jack wouldn't help, but didn't say why, Kate says if she understood why Jack does what he does, she wouldn't be there, Juliet asks if off island something happened with them, Kate says they were engaged, does that count, Roger comes into the Infirmary while Kate is giving blood, he asks what's going on, Juliet says Kate is giving fresh blood so they can transfuse Ben, Roger refuses to leave, so Kate says Juliet can check on Ben, and Roger will keep her company to make sure she doesn't pass out, Juliet says okay, Roger thanks Kate, Roger says Ben stole his keys, La Fleur asked him for his keys, that he doesn't ask any questions that he doesn't know the answers to, which means Ben stole his keys to bust the hostile out of jail, Kate asks why he would do that, Roger says because of him, asks Kate if she has kids, she says no, Roger says he thought he was going to be the greatest father ever, that he guesses it didn't work out that way, Kate asks what about Ben's mother, if she's still around, Roger says no she's dead, that she died that day he was born, Kate says she's sorry, he says him too, that he tried to do what he thought she'd want him to do, but he guesses a boy just needs his mother, Ben starts choking, going into hypoxic shock, Juliet says to get Roger out of there.
- "La Fleur asked me where my keys were. That bastard doesn't ask any questions he doesn't know the answers to...which means my son stole my keys so he could bust that animal out of jail." Roger
- "I thought I was gonna be the greatest father ever. You know? [Whispers] I guess it didn't work out that way." Roger "What about his mother? Is she still around?" Kate "No, she's dead. She died the day he was born." Roger "I'm sorry." Kate "Yeah, me, too. [Sighs] I tried to do what I thought she'd want me to do, but...I guess a boy just needs his mother." Roger
- Hurley says to get this straight, all this already happened, Miles says yes, Hurley says so this conversation we're having right now, we already had it, Miles says yes, Hurley asks so what he's going to say next, Miles says he doesn't know, Hurley says then his theory is wrong, Miles says for the thousandth time, the conversation already happened, but not for them, for them, it's happening right now, Hurley says if all this already happened to him, then why doesn't he remember any of it, Miles says because once Ben turned that wheel, time isn't a straight line for us anymore, our experiences in the past and the future, occurred before these experiences right now, Hurley says say that again, Miles says to shoot him, gives Hurley his gun, Hurley says that he can't shoot him, because if he dies on the island in 1977, then he'll never come back on the freighter 30 years from now, Miles says that he can die, because he's already come to the island on the freighter, that any of them can die, because this is their present, Hurley says but he said Ben can't die because he still has to become the leader of the island, Miles says because this is his past, Hurley says when they first captured Ben, and Sayid tortured him, then why wouldn't he remember getting shot by that same guy when he was a kid, Miles says huh, he hadn't thought of that, Hurley says huh.
- "Let me get this straight. [Miles is pacing.] All this already happened." Hurley "Yes." Miles "So, this conversation we're having right now...we already had it." Hurley "[Claps his hands] Yes!" Miles "Then what am I gonna say next?" Hurley "I don't know. [Shakes his head.]" Miles "Ha'! Then your theory is wrong!" Hurley "For the thousandth time, you dingbat, the conversation already happened, but not for you and me. For you and me, it's happening right now." Miles "Okay, answer me this. If all this already happened to me, then...why don't I remember any of it?" Hurley "Because, once Ben turned that wheel, time isn't a straight line for us anymore. Our experiences in the past and the future occurred before these experiences right now." Miles "Say that again." Hurley "[Pauses in exasperation and pulls out his gun and holds it out for Hurley to take.] Shoot me. Please. Please!" Miles "Aha! I can't shoot you. Because if you die in 1977, then you'll never come back to the island on the freighter 30 years from now." Hurley "I can die because I've already come to the island on the freighter. Any of us can die because this is our present." Miles "But you said Ben couldn't die because he still has to grow up and become the leader of the Others." Hurley "Because this is his past." Miles "But, when we first captured Ben, and Sayid, like, tortured him, then why wouldn't he remember getting shot by that same guy when he was a kid?" Hurley "[Miles blinks and looks around. Hurley raises his eyebrow.] Huh. I hadn't thought of that." Miles "Huh. [Crossing his arms.]" Hurley
- Roger is pacing outside the Infirmary, Kate waits too, Juliet comes out, Roger asks how is he, Juliet says he's stable, Roger asks if he's going to be okay, Juliet says that he has some fresh blood running through him, which is a good thing, Juliet wants Roger to go to medical station, she says there are some supplies there that they don't' have here, Roger says he just wants to say thanks, he knows that she's doing everything she can to save him, Roger says he's going to go, Kate asks Juliet if he's better, Juliet says he's stable, but she can't fix him, Kate says what about the sub, that they can take him somewhere, Juliet says no, that the sub is gone, and it won't be back for a few months, Kate says there has to be something they can do, they have an entire camp, Juliet says there may be something they can do, the others.
- Juliet and Kate take Ben out of the Infirmary, put him in a DHARMA van, Juliet says okay let's go, but Kate says no, that if she gets caught, she doesn't want to get her in trouble, that if Sawyer knew, he'd kill her, Juliet says he's going to find out that Ben is gone, and she'll have to tell, but she'll give her a head start, as much as she can, Kate leaves.
- "No, no, no, no. If something goes wrong or we get caught, it doesn't matter for me, but you've got a whole life here. And besides, if Sawyer knew that I got you involved in this, he'd kill me." Kate
- At the Long Beach Marina, Ben talks to Sun, he says the same person that's going to show them how to get back to the island, Kate asks is that what this is about, Jack says that he wasn't pretending anything, Kate leaves, in the car, Aaron says he's thirsty, wants some milk, Kate goes to grocery store, but now Aaron wants a damn juice box, Kate asks a stock boy what aisle they're on, her phone rings, Kate lets go of Aaron's hand, Jack calling her, Kate looks down and Aaron is gone, Kate frantically looks for him, calls Aaron's name, looks down all the aisles, she runs around the store, at the front, she sees Aaron holding the hand of a woman with blonde hair, who looks just like Claire, but it isn't her, says she found him by the fruit, was going to make an announcement, Kate says thank you to the woman, she comforts Aaron.
- Kate drives to the pylons, stops there, Ben is choking, says he needs help, to tell his dad he's sorry he stole his keys, Kate says to try not to talk, Sawyer shows up in another DHARMA van, Kate says she knows he's gotta stop her, but that she can't just let that kid die, Sawyer says dammit freckles, that he isn't there to stop her, he's there to help her.
- "I know you gotta stop me...but I can't just let that kid die." Kate "Damn it, Freckles. I ain't here to stop you. I'm here to help you." Sawyer
- Kate with Aaron, a few years old, she goes to Cassidy's house, which has a no soliciting sign on it, Clementine says hi Auntie Kate, Kate says hi Clementine, asks for her mom, Clementine says I'll go get her, inside Kate talks to Cassidy, she says they're gong back to the island, Cassidy says why in God's name would they want to do that, Kate says she doesn't know, that Jack says that they weren't supposed to leave, Cassidy says well Jack sounds like a piece of work, that Kate should take a nap, and she'll watch Aaron, Kate says she lost him, that she doesn't know what happened, but she was in the supermarket, and she turned around for one second and he was gone, and the crazy thing is as scared as she was, she wasn't surprised, all she could think was, it's about time, she asks Cassidy why would she feel that way, why would she expect him to be taken, Cassidy says because she took him, Kate says no, Claire was gone, she left him, that she had to take him, that he needed her, Cassidy says that she needed him, that Sawyer broke her heart, she asks Kate how else was she supposed to fix it.
- "They're going back? To the island? Why in God's name would they wanna do that?" Cassidy "I don't know. Jack says that we weren't supposed to leave." Kate "Well, Jack sounds like a piece of work. You look exhausted. Drink this. Curl up on my bed. Take a nap. [Pours liquid] I'll watch your fella." Cassidy "I lost him." Kate "What?" Cassidy "I don't know what happened. We were in the supermarket, and I turned around for one second, and he was gone. [Wiping away her tears] And, you know, the crazy thing is, is that...[sitting up] as scared as I was...I wasn't surprised. All I could think was, it's about time. Why would I feeel that way? I mean, why would I expect him to be taken?" Kate "Because you took him, Kate." Cassidy "No, I...Claire was gone. I mean, she left him. I had to take him. He needed me." Kate "You needed him. Sawyer broke your heart. How else were you supposed to fix it?" Cassidy
- Sawyer punches in the Security code, asks Kate if she figured out how she was going to carry him by herself, Kate says that the line is right there, they're just on the other side, asks Sawyer why he's doing this, why he's helping her, Sawyer says when found out Ben was gone, he asked Juliet the same question, why she's helping Ben, and she said no matter what he's going to grow up to be, it's wrong to let a kid die, so that's why he's doing this, he says that he's doing it for her, they walk through the pylons.
- "Hey. Why are you doing this? Why are you helping me?" Kate "When I found out Ben was gone, and Juliet told me what you were up to, I asked that exact damn question. Why are you helping Ben? And she said...no matter what he's gonna grow up to be, it's wrong to let a kid die. So...that's why I'm doing this. I'm doing it for her." Sawyer
- Juliet goes into the house, she asks Miles and Hurley where's Jack, they say in the shower, Juliet says she just needs to talk to him, if they mind giving them some privacy, Hurley and Miles leave, Miles says to ask him more questions about time travel, Jack taking a shower, Juliet busts in, waiting for him when he gets out, she says she needed him, that kid was bleeding out, he's a surgeon and she needed him, Jack says that kid is Ben, Juliet says that it's not Ben yet, Juliet says that he made it clear he wasn't interested, and it's up to Kate and Sawyer now, they're helping him, that she doesn't need his help now, Jack says he came back there because he was trying to save them, Juliet says they didn't need saving, they've been fine for three years, she says that he came back for him, to at least give the courtesy of telling her why, Jack says he came back because he was supposed to, Juliet asks supposed to do what, Jack says he doesn't know yet, Juliet says that he better figure it out, she leaves.
- "We didn't need saving. We've been fine for three years. You came back here for you. At least do me the courtesy of telling me why." Juliet
- In the jungle, Kate says she can take him for a while, Sawyer says sure she can, they stop at a creek, Kate says his father said he thinks Ben broke Sayid out, Sawyer says that a kid would do almost anything if he's pissed off enough at his folks, Kate asks if that's why he asked her to take care of his daughter, Sawyer says did she, Kate says of course she did, Sawyer asks what's she like, Kate says Clementine, oh she's beautiful, that she looks just like him when she smiles, she says that she's growing up fast, that she already has a little attitude, Sawyer says he bets her and Cassidy had a lot to talk about, Kate says she had an interesting theory on why he jumped off the chopper, Sawyer asks what's that, Kate says Cassidy thought he was worried about what would happen if he didn't, Sawyer says that they would've never worked out, that he wasn't any more fit to be her boyfriend, than he was to be that little girl's father, Kate says he seems to be doing alright with Juliet, Sawyer says he's had a lot of growing up in the last three years.
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- "Kid'll do almost anything if he's pissed off enough at his folks." Sawyer "Is that why you asked me to take care of your daughter?" Kate "Did you?" Sawyer "Of course I did." Kate "What's she like?" Sawyer "Clementine?" Kate "Yeah, Clementine." Sawyer "Oh, she's beautiful. Looks just like you when she smiles. She's growing up fast. Already has a little attitude." Kate "I bet you and Cassidy had a lot to talk about." Sawyer "She had an interesting theory on why you jumped off the chopper." Kate "Yeah, what's that?" Sawyer "She thought you were worried about what would happen if you didn't." Kate "You and me would've never worked out, Kate. I wasn't any more fit to be your boyfriend than I am to be that little girl's father." Sawyer "You seem to be doing all right with Juliet." Kate "Yeah. I've done a lot of growing up the past three years." Sawyer
- The hostiles suddenly come out of the jungle, with guns, approach Sawyer and Kate, they say don't move, that they're in violation of the truce, Sawyer says they know, but this kid has been shot, so unless they want to go to war, they're going to take them to Richard Alpert and they're going to do it now.
- Kate at a door, Ms. Littleton answers, she introduces herself as Kate Austen, Carole says she knows who she is, to come in, Kate says thank you, Carole says your friend, Dr. Shephard came here last night, that he was going on and on about some person named Aaron, and when she asked who that was, he ran out of there like the room was on fire, Kate says he's her grandson, and her daughter Claire is alive, Carole says what are you talking about, that Claire died in the plane crash, Kate says no, she survived, that when they crashed, her daughter was already 8 months pregnant, that she's the one who had the baby, Kate says there were other people they left behind, Carole asks why would you leave her there, Kate says because she disappeared, she left the baby behind, that they looked everywhere, and that's when she started taking care of Aaron, when they got rescued, they had to decide what to do with him, and she knew that Claire wanted him to be adopted, but she couldn't, she had to protect him, so she said he was hers, Carole asks why she would lie, why didn't she come to her in the first place, Kate says because she needed him, she says she's sorry, she says that Carole will see that he's so sweet and kind and good, shows her a picture, Carole asks where is he, Kate says that she checked in two doors down, he's asleep, that she knows that this is a lot for her to handle, but when she's ready, that he's waiting for her, Kate says she told him that she's his grandmother, and that she'll take care of him while she's gone, and that she'll be back soon, Carole asks where are you going, Kate says she's going back to find her daughter.
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- "What are you talking about? Claire died in the plane crash." Carole "No, she survived. When we crashed, your daughter was eight months pregnant, and...she's the one who gave birth on the island, not me. We lied. There were other survivors, too. We just left them behind." Kate "Why? Why would you leave her there?" Carole "Because she disappeared, and she left the baby behind. We looked everywhere, but...that's when I started taking care of Aaron. And when we were rescued, we didn't--we had to decide what to do with him. And I knew that she had wanted him to be adopted, but I couldn't. I had to protect him, so I said he was mine." Kate "Why did you lie? Why didn't you come to me in the first place?" Carole "Because I needed him. I'm sorry. You're gonna see that he's so sweet [hands Carol a picture] and kind and good." Kate "Where is he?" Carole "Um, I checked in two doors down. He's asleep. I know that this is a lot for you to handle. But...when you're ready, he's waiting for you. I told him that you're his grandmother. That you'll take care of him while I'm gone and that I'll be back soon." Kate "Where are you going?" Carole "I'm going back to find your daughter." Kate
- Kate goes back to her hotel room, she sits by a sleeping Aaron and cries, she's devastated, but she says goodbye to him, then she leaves him in the hotel room.
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- Sawyer carries Ben through the jungle, with the others, the hostiles, Sawyer says don't worry, tells Kate that they have them right where they want them, Richard comes out of nowhere, he says hello, Sawyer asks where'd he come from, Richard says he asked his people to bring them to him, so here he is, Richard asks is that Benjamin Linus, Sawyer says you two know eachother, he tells Richard that he was shot, Richard asks who Kate is, Sawyer says she's with me, Richard asks why are you here, they need him to save his life, Kate asks can you, Richard says if he takes him, he's never ever going to be the same again, Kate asks what he means by that, Richard says that he'll forget this ever happened and that his innocence will be gone, that he will always be one of them, Richard says you still want me to take him, Kate says yes, one of the others approaches Richard, says he shouldn't do this without asking Ellie, and if Charles finds out, Richard dismisses him, he says that he doesn't answer to any of them, Richard takes Ben, Kate asks where he's taking him, Sawyer says to come on, they leave.
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- "If I take him, he's not ever gonna be the same again." Richard "What do you mean by that?" Kate "What I mean is that, he'll forget this ever happened, and that...his innocence will be gone. He will always be one of us. You still want me to take him?" Richard "Yes." Kate
- Richard Alpert carries Ben through the jungle, he goes to The Temple, goes through the side door, which is covered in ancient hieroglyphs, he goes inside it, not underneath, as we've seen before.
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- "I don't answer to either of them." Richard
- Ben wakes up in The Hydra station, Locke is there waiting for him, he says hello Ben, welcome back to the land of the living, Ben is frightened and surprised to see him.
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- "Hello, Ben. Welcome back to the land of the living." Locke
08 December 2009
More Thoughts on "The Incident"
After re-watching "The Incident" a few times, I've actually discovered that I liked it quite a bit. I think that what originally left me feeling a bit trepidatious about it was that it made me feel as though I no longer had any clue what the hell was going on anymore. I guess that, for the past few seasons, I've spent a little too much time speculating and theorizing about LOST. So much so that I almost had it all mapped out in my head. After you spend a lot of time going so in-depth about certain theories, ripping each one apart, in order to figure out if it has validity, it hampers you from just sitting back and enjoying the show thoroughly. Since realizing that, I've decided to truly just let the ride take me wherever it may go, to just enjoy it fully because, well, we only have one season left of this wonderful show.
So, with that said, the one thing that I've been thinking the most about from "The Incident" is Jacob. I'm still not sure whether he is good or evil. But, I have been thinking about the black and white theme that has gone on throughout the entire series and showed up heavily in the opening scene of "The Incident" when Jacob and the man in black (let's call him "Esau" for now), are having their conversation on the beach.
But who are "Esau" and the man we know as Jacob? Why are they on two opposing sides?
WHISPERS:
Adam + Eve,
Benjamin Linus,
black + white,
death,
fate,
Flight 815,
Island,
Jacob,
Jeremy Bentham,
John Locke,
Man in Black,
miracles,
Richard Alpert,
Season 6,
special,
the incident
20 January 2009
4.13 There's No Place Like Home, Parts 2 & 3
- Back at the airport, Kate stops the car, drives back, gets out crying, she says that Jack called her for two days straight, stoned on his pills, shows her an obituary for Jeremy Bentham, she says that he came to her, she heard what he had to say, she knew that he was crazy, but Jack believed him, Jack says that he said it was the only way to keep her and Aaron safe, Kate slaps Jack, says not to say his name, that she has to explain why he's not there to read to Aaron, that she spent the last three years trying to forget all the horrible things that happened on the day they left the island, how dare he ask her to go back.
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- Jack and Sawyer walking through the jungle, Jack says Lapidus said they were heading North East, to The Orchid, they stumble upon Hugo taking a leak, Locke is looking for a way into The Orchid.
- There is enough C4 to blow up an aircraft, Desmond says he did 6 months Explosive Ordinance Disposal, enough time to learn how to blow himself up, Michael asks if it's on a timer, Desmond says the bomb has a radio receiver, like a walkie, send out a signal and it triggers the bomb remotely, Jin wonders if they can turn it off, but Desmond says there is a trip wire, movie it and boom, dummy-wiring, cut the wrong one and boom, multiple firing systems, disable one and the next one, boom, battery's power source gets disconnected, then boom.
- Locke says there's a DHARMA station below, that he's looking for a way to get in, says that he wants to speak to Jack alone, but Jack says that he only came back for Hurley, Locke says he needs to hear what he has to say, but Jack says he needs to get their people off the island, Hurley says they're taking Ben to the helicopter, that he surrendered himself.
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- Keamy is taking Ben back to the chopper, he wants to know why Ben is so important, why Widmore would pay him so much money to capture him and bring him back alive, Lapidus with toolbox, Kate runs up, says she's a passenger of Flight 815, that she's being chased by Ben's people, they hear whispers, Sayid and company attack, kill Keamy's men, Ben and Kate run, Keamy kicks a grenade toward Omar, Sayid fights Keamy, Richard shoots him, Kate cuts Ben free, he asks Richard what the arrangement is, Richard says if they helped free him, he promised to let them off the island, Ben says the helicopter is theirs, tells Kate and Sayid to have a safe journey back, Kate makes sure that they can leave the island, that's it.
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- Hurley is in Santa Rosa, eating a fruit roll-up, Walt's grandmother, Michael's mother, is there, she asks him if he's dangerous, says that he knows her grandson, that they traveled all the way across the country to see him, she needs to know if he'll do anything crazy, he says that he won't do anything crazy.
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- Hurley says Walt got big, Walt says when they came back from the island, he was waiting for someone to come and see him, but nobody ever came, only Jeremy Bentham came to see him, he says that he doesn't understand why they're all lying, Hurley says they're doing it to protect everyone who didn't come back, Walt asks like his dad, Hurley says yes, like his dad.
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- "We're lying... because it's the only way to protect everyone that didn't come back." Hurley
- Hurley says thanks for coming back to Sawyer, asks him about Claire and the baby.
- Locke wants Jack to reconsider leaving the island, Jack says the rest of them are going home, Locke says they're not supposed to go, Jack says that's because crashing on the island was their destiny, Locke says Jack knows that they're there for a reason, that if he leaves, he'll have that knowledge and it will eat him alive, until he decides to come back, he has to lie about everything, it's the only way to protect them, to protect the island, that it's not just an island, it's a place where miracles happen, Locke tells Jack to wait and see what he's about to do, Jack says there's no such things as miracles.
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- "I want you to reconsider leaving the island, Jack. I would like you to stay." Locke "You'd like me to stay?" Jack "Yeah, that's right." Locke "(Chuckles) You threw a knife into the back of an unarmed woman. You led half of our people across the island and got most of them killed." Jack "Well, Jack, you put a gun to my head and you pulled the trigger. I was hoping we could let bygones be bygones." Locke "Well, I'll tell you what. You stay here in your little greenhouse, but the rest of us are going home." Locke "But you're not supposed to go home." Locke "And what am I supposed to do? Oh, I think I remember. What was it that you said on the way out to the hatch--that crashing here was our destiny?" Jack "You know, Jack. You know that you're here for a reason. You know it. And if you leave this place, that knowledge is gonna eat you alive from the inside out...until you decide to come back." Locke "Good-bye, John." Jack "You're gonna have to lie." Locke "Excuse me?" Jack "If you have to go, then you have to lie about everything...everything that happened since we got to the island it's the only way to protect it." Locke "(Sighs) It's an island, John. No one needs to protect it." Jack "It's not an island. It's a place where miracles happen. And--and--if you--if you don't believe that, Jack, if you can't believe that, just wait till you see what I'm about to do." Locke "There's no such thing as miracles." Jack "Well...we'll just have to see which one of us is right." Locke
- Ben shows up, shows them the way to get into The Orchid, Locke says he tried to tell Jack, Ben tells Jack that Sayid and Kate are waiting at the helicopter, Locke tells Jack that if he lies half as well as he lies to himself, he'll do a good job at fooling everyone, Locke and Ben go down to The Orchid.
- Sun says she didn't tell anyone about the bomb, Michael tells her everything is going to be okay, says he'll send Jin up, Sun tells Michael she's pregnant, Michael congratulates her.
- Michael says that they can freeze the battery on the bomb, using liquid Nitrogen, the bomb needs to charge from the battery, to make the chemical reaction, they spray the battery, keep it cold, then it will have no reaction, the catch is that there's only one canister of liquid Nitrogen, when the light turns red, the battery will already be cold, Jin and Desmond begin to trace the wires so they can figure out how to defuse the bomb in the meantime.
- Daniel Faraday is back, he says the Freighter's engine is fixed, they're going to get closer to island now, as close as they can without hitting the reef, the next trip won't be so long, he tells Miles and Charlotte to make sure they're on the raft, but Miles says he's staying, and he asks Charlotte why she would want to leave the island after all the time she spent trying to get back there, Charlotte seems confused and asks what that means.
- "I'm surprised you want to leave." Miles "Sorry?" Charlotte "It's just weird. You know, after all that time you spent trying to get back here." Miles "What do you mean, get back here?" Charlotte "...What do I mean?" Miles
- Ben says The Orchid station is deep, Locke asks about the magic box, Ben says The Orchid is not the magic box, that it's for the same thing all the DHARMA stations are for, silly experiments, Ben gives Locke a video to watch while he takes care of business.
- The Orchid Orientation, 6 of 6, bunny with #15 painted on it, Edgar Halliwax, Station 6 of 6, The Orchid, not a botanical research unit, unique properties of the island, created kind of Casimir Effect, allowing DHARMA Initiative to conduct unique experiments on space and time, the vault, construction next to pocket of negatively charged exotic matter, great care taken to avoid leaving inorganic matter inside the chamber, electromagnetic energy highly volatile, unpredictable, for safety, metallic objects never placed in vault, demonstration, shift subject forward 100 seconds in four-dimensional space, for a moment, the animal seems to disappear, the tape stops, begins to rewind, Locke rewinds.
- "Hello. I'm Dr. Edgar Halliwax... (warps and distorts) and this is the Orientation film for Station Six of the DHARMA Initiative. As you've no doubt surmised, Station Six, or "The Orchid," is not... (warps and distorts) a Botanical Research unit. The unique properties... (warps and distorts) of this island have created a kind of Casimir Effect, allowing the DHARMA initiative to conduct unique experiments in both space and time. (Clatter) This... is "the vault", constructed adjacent to a pocket of what we believe... (warps and distorts) to be negatively charged "exotic matter". Great care must be taken to avoid leaving inorganic materials... (warps and distorts) inside the chamber. The electromagnetic energy within the island can be highly volatile and unpredictable. Now for your own safety and the safety of those around you, metallic objects must never... (warps and distorts) be placed within the vault. (whirring) In our first demonstration, we will attempt to shift the test subject 100 milliseconds ahead in four-dimensional space. For the briefest... (warps and distorts) of moments, the animal will seem to disappear, but in reality... (voice distorts)"
- Ben begins putting everything metal that he can find inside the vault, Locke asks Ben if the video was talking about what he thinks it's talking about, Ben says yes, it's about time-traveling bunnies, Locke mentions that Edgar Halliwax said specifically not to put metal inside the vault, Ben and Locke notice the elevator in The Orchid going up to get someone, Ben asks Locke for his deadly baton weapon back.
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- Back at the chopper, Kate is picking the lock on Lapidus' handcuffs, Jack, Sawyer and Hurley get there, Jack is okay, Sawyer gets a hacksaw instead for the handcuffs, Lapidus is freed and say it's time to go, Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid get on the helicopter, Hurley asks if they'll come back for Claire, Jack says yes, they leave, looking back on the island.
- Keamy arrives inside The Orchid, says he knows that Ben is down there, that he was shot in the back, but is wearing Body Armour, that he took out a life insurance policy, he's wearing a heart-rate monitor, connected to a radio transmitter, he says that it's a dead man's trigger, if his heart stops beating, it sends a signal to 500 lbs. of C-4, hardwired on the Freighter, it will kill a lot of innocent people, that if he thinks he's bluffing, remember how he killed Ben's daughter.
- Locke comes out from hiding, says that he has no conflict with Keamy, neither do the people on the boat, that he just wants to talk about it.
- Ben busts out, attacks Keamy, hits him in the head with is baton, grabs his knife and stabs him several hundred times in the neck, Locke is upset, tries to stop him, says he killed everyone on the boat, but Ben isn't phased by the thought of killing anyone on the boat.
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- "You killed my daughter!" Ben
- Charlotte says she's going to stay on the island for now, Dan says it'll be forever if she doesn't leave with him, asks her why, Charlotte says she can't make sense of it either, but she's still looking for where she was born, Dan accepts her explanation, they say goodbye.
- "I'm going to stay, Daniel...for now, anyway." Charlotte "Charlotte...there is no "for now". If you don't come with me, "for now" could be forever." Daniel "Nothing's forever." Charlotte "Why?" Daniel "Would it make any sense if I told you I was still looking for where I was born?" Charlotte
- Juliet says she's not going either, that she promised she wasn't leaving until everyone go off the island, that she'll be there when Dan gets back, Dan says right, as if he knows something will happen already, they leave.
- "I promised I wouldn't leave until I got everyone here safely off this island. Relax. I'll still be here when you get back." Juliet "Right, right...when I get back. Okay. Everybody ready? Let's get started. Off we go." Dan
- Desmond says that he doesn't know enough about bombs to figure out how to dismantle it, Michael says they only have a quarter of a tank of Liquid Nitrogen left, if they can't deactivate it, they better get everyone off the boat before the light turns red.
- The helicopter is losing fuel, a bullet pierced the tank, Jack says not to land, that there's no fuel on the island, Frank Lapidus says that they need to get the extra weight off the chopper, so they throw everything out, but it's not enough, Lapidus says they need to be a few hundred pounds lighter.
- Sawyer tells Kate a secret, kisses her, says to just do it, then jumps off the helicopter.
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- Outside Santa Rosa, a man waits in a car, Sayid asks him for the time, he says it's 8:15, Sayid shoots him.
- Inside Santa Rosa, Hurley is playing chess by himself, Sayid shows up, Hurley says visiting hours are over, Sayid says that he wants him to come with him, somewhere safe, Hurley says that he hasn't seen him in forever, Sayid says the circumstances have changed, that Jeremy Bentham is dead, he died two days ago, they said it was a suicide, Hurley asks why they have to call him Jeremy Bentham, Sayid says not to say his real name, that they're being watched, Hurley says that he has regular conversations with dead people, the last thing he needs is paranoia, Sayid says that he just killed a man perched outside Santa Rosa for the last week, that paranoia keeps him alive, Hurley asks if they're going back to the island, Sayid says no, just somewhere safe, Hurley decides to go with Sayid, says checkmate, Mr. Eko, they leave.
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- "Dude, I've been having regular conversations with dead people. The last thing I need now is paranoia." Hurley "I just killed a man who's been perched outside this facility for the last week. I'm finding paranoia keeps me alive." Sayid
- Frank Lapidus is flying the helicopter on course, but they can't find the Kahana anywhere, Frank says in four or five minutes, they'll be out of fuel, Jack tells Kate that as soon as they get to the boat, they'll go back for Sawyer, Hurley spots the Freighter.
- Keamy is slowly dying, Locke is trying to help him, Keamy says that wherever Ben goes, Widmore will find him, Ben says not if he finds him first, Keamy dies, the heart monitor stops.
- The light on the bomb turns red, Michael tells Desmond and Jin to leave, get everyone off the boat, they have maybe five minutes of Nitrogen left, Jin tells Desmond to go, he stays with Michael.
From Lostpedia
- Desmond runs to the deck, sees the chopper trying to land, tells them to go back, that they can't land, there's a bomb on the boat, Lapidus says he has to put it down, Michael is still freezing the battery.
- Desmond says they have to get off the boat, they patch the hole, get a life raft, Sun says they have to get Jin, Kate tells her to get on the helicopter with Aaron, the she'll go get Jin, but Jack won't let her, they fill the helicopter with fuel, Michael tells Jin to go, to be with is wife, to get home, that he's a father now.
- Hurley, Sun, Aaron, Jack, Lapidus, Desmond, Sayid, Kate get on the chopper, they take off, Jin runs to the deck of the Freighter as they're taking off, Sun wants to go back for him, but Jack says no.
From Lostpedia
- Michael runs out of liquid Nitrogen, he hears the whispers, then Christian Shephard suddenly appears on the Freighter, says the Michael can go now.
From Lostpedia
- "You can go now, Michael." Christian Shephard "Who are you?" Michael
- The Freighter explodes, Sun screams for Jin, part of the Freighter goes down, Jack says there's nothing down there, Sun wants to go back, but Jack says he's gone, tells Lapidus to fly back to the island.
From Lostpedia
- Sun gets a phone call, it's her mom, she talks to Ji Yeon, she's in London, says she's leaving tonight, finishing business, she approaches Charles Widmore, says she's Mr. Paik's daughter, managing director of Paik Industries, Widmore says that Paik is quite the golfer, owes him a dinner after their last game, Suns asks if he's gong to pretend that he doesn't know who she is, he says that he doesn't know what she's talking about, but Sun says that he does know, he knows they've been lying all this time about where they were and what happened there, that they have common interests, when he's ready to discuss them, to call her, that he knows they're not really the only ones who left the island, Widmore asks why she would help him.
From Lostpedia
- "Yes, you do know, Mr. Widmore...just like you know we've been lying all this time about where we were and what happened to us there. You and I have common interests. When you're ready to discuss them...[Sun hands Widmore her Paik Industries business card from her pocket.] Call me. As you know, we're not the only ones who left the island." Sun [Sun turns and begins to walk away. Widmore calls after her.] "Ms. Kwon? Why would you want to help me?" Widmore
- Locke asks Ben why he would kill Keamy when he knew that it would destroy the boat, Ben says he wasn't thinking straight, says a leader has to make good command decisions, not be compromised by bad emotional responses, that he's sure John will do a better job at separating the two than he ever did.
From Lostpedia
- "Well, John, I really wasn't thinking straight. Sometimes good command decisions get compromised by bad emotional responses. I'm sure you're going to do a much better job of separating the two than I ever did." Ben
- Ben closes the vault doors, turns it on, there are explosions, Ben says he'd better change.
- Juliet is drinking on the beach, Sawyer arrives at the shore, asks her what she's celebrating, but she's not celebrating, she points out the Freighter in the distance, which is on fire from the massive explosion.
- Ben puts on Edgar Halliwax's parka, says that he's going somewhere cold, tells John that he can't go with him, Jacob told John what to do, but not how to do it, that Jacob wants Ben to suffer the consequences, whoever moves the island can never come back, tells John to get in the elevator, go up, Richard and his people are waiting for him two miles East of The Orchid, that they're ready, willing and able to share what they know, will follow his every word, Ben says goodbye, that he's sorry he made John's life so miserable, John asks what he's supposed to tell them to do, Ben says that he'll find a way, that he always does.
From Lostpedia
- "Whoever moves the island can never come back. So I'd like you to get on the elevator, John, and go back up. Richard and my people will be waiting 2 miles East of The Orchid." Ben "Waiting for me?" Locke "Ready, willing and able to share what they know. And then they will follow your every word. Good-bye, John. I'm sorry I made your life so miserable." Ben [Ben exhales deeply as he shakes Locke's hand.] "What do I tell 'em to do?" Locke "You'll find your way, John. You always do." Ben
- Locke finds Richard and the others, Richard says welcome home.
From Lostpedia
- Ben goes through the hole blown through the wall in the vault, through a tunnel, with a crowbar, takes a ladder down, breaks the ice, takes another ladder down, falls, cuts his arm, it's cold inside, snow, he lights a lantern with a match, there is a frozen donkey wheel, Ben says he hopes Jacob is happy now, he pushes the wheel, breaks ice off the frozen wheel with the crowbar.
From Lostpedia
- "I hope you're happy now, Jacob." Ben
- There is white noise, Locke, Richard and the others, Juliet and Sawyer on the beach, Daniel Faraday and others on the zodiac, helicopter folk, Ben continues to push the wheel, a bright flash of light, Aaron cries, purple sky, white noise, Juliet and Sawyer on the beach, zodiac folk, and helicopter sees the island move, noise, light goes away, the island is suddenly gone.
From Lostpedia
- The light disappears and they down to see that the island is completely gone, Lapidus asks where the island is, where will he land the helicopter, Jack says there is a smaller island nearby, but they're out of fuel, they put on life vests, throw out a life raft, Lapidus tells them to brace themselves, the helicopter crashes into the water, Jack gets Hurley and Aaron into the raft, Kate, Sun, Lapidus and Jack get Desmond, Sayid, Jack does CPR on Desmond, he's okay, they're all alive and in the life raft.
- Kate is at home, in bed, she wakes up, the phone rings, clicking on the other end, whispers, backwards talk, a door creaks, Kate gets her gun, goes to Aaron's room, Claire is there, she says not to bring him back, Kate wakes up from her dream, no one is there, she tells Aaron she's sorry.
From Lostpedia
- "Don't bring him back, Kate. Don't you dare bring him back." Claire
- On the life raft, Aaron is okay, it's a miracle, Hurley says that he can't believe Locke did it, that he moved the island, Jack says no he didn't, Hurley says that one minutes it's there, the next, it's gone.
- Lapidus sees a light int he distance, it's another boat, they scream to get its attention, the boat starts to turn around and go toward them, it sees them.
- Jack says they're going to have to lie, about everything, all of this, every moment since they crashed on the island, that men come to the island to kill them, someone put a plane on the bottom of the ocean, someone wants them to think they're dead, what do they think will happen when they tell people that wasn't their plane on the bottom of the ocean, what do they think will happy to the people they left behind, Kate says they can't pull it off, Jack says he'll do the talking.
- "(Softly) We're gonna have to lie." Jack "What?" Kate "(Normal voice) We're gonna have to lie." Jack "Lie about what?" Sayid "Everything, all of it, every moment since we crashed on the island. Your freighter, those men came to the island to kill us, all of us. You said that our plane was discovered on the bottom of the ocean. Well, someone put it there--someone who wants everyone to think that we're dead. So what do you think is going to happen to us when we tell them that that wasn't our plane? What do you think's gonna happen to the people that we left behind?" Jack "Jack, we can't. We can't pull it off." Kate "Just let me do the talking." Jack
- The boat comes upon them, Portuguese men begin to talk, it's called Searcher, Desmond hears them say Ms. Widmore, Penny is there, it's her boat, Desmond and Penny reunite, Desmond asks how she found him, she says after his phone call, she has a tracking station, Desmond tells Penny he loves her, that he'll never leave her again, introduces Penny to everyone, Jack says they have to talk.
From Lostpedia
- One Week Later--Membata, Sayid tells Hurley, that's where they're going, sailing 3,000 miles to another island, it's the only way to keep them safe, Jack asks how long it'll take to get there, Frank says 8-9 hours to land if the wind isn't too brutal, Jack says that he hopes he never sees Frank again, Penny gives Aaron to Kate, Desmond asks Jack if he's sure he wants to do this, Desmond says as long as he's got Penny, he'll be fine, Jack says don't let him find them, that he'll see Desmond in another life, brother, Desmond says aye, I guess you will, Jack says let's go home, they take off on the raft--Hurley, Sun, Sayid, Jack, Kate and Aaron.
- They arrive to an island, people help them ashore, there is no photo being taken.
From Lostpedia
- Jack, listening to The Pixies, driving his car, arrives at HOFFS/DRAWLAR, breaks in with a rock, goes to the casket, looks at Body Release Form, Jeremy Bentham, he opens the casket, Ben shows up, asks if he told him he was off the island, Jack says yes, Ben asks when he spoke to him, about a month ago, and Kate, came to see her too, told him that after they left the island, some very bad things happened, that it was his fault, that he had to come back, Ben says he heard he's been flying, hoping to crash, that it's very dark, Jack asks why he's there, Ben says the island won't let him come alone, that they all have to go back, Jack says he doesn't know where Sayid is, Hurley is insane, Sun blames him for Jin's death, Kate won't even talk to him anymore, Ben says he can help, that this is the way it has to be, that it's the only way, that they have to do it together, all of them, that he has a few ideas, tells Jack all of them have to go back, the casket too.
From Lostpedia
- "Perhaps I can help you with that. This is the way it has to be, Jack. It's the only way. You have to do it together, all of you." Ben "How?" Jack "I have a few ideas." Ben [Jack sighs deeply and turns to leave.] "Jack...I said, all of you. We're gonna have to bring him, too." Ben
- John Locke is in the coffin. He is Jeremy Bentham.
Questions:
During San Diego Comic-Con, in 2007, a video was shown of outtakes from Dr. Edgar Halliwax filming The Orchid Orientation film. If you watch and listen closely, something very interesting seems to happen while filming this Orientation video for the DHARMA Initiative.
Here is the actual Orientation film from The Orchid, shown in this episode. If you watch closely, you can see John Locke literally rewind himself along with the VHS Orientation film involuntarily rewinding itself.
- Did Desmond do 6 months of Explosives training in the Military so that he could dismantle the bomb on the Freighter?
- Did Charles Widmore tell Keamy to kill Alex or did Keamy do it on his own?
- Why didn't anyone go visit Walt when they got off the island?
- Why didn't Hurley tell Walt that his dad died?
- How does Daniel Faraday know that something is going to happen to the island?
- How does Miles know that Charlotte was born on the island?
- Why are there only 6 Orientation videos for the DHARMA Initiative Stations when there are clearly more than 6 Stations? Were some made after the first 6 and their films were made?
- Why did the Orientation film begin to rewind? Why did Locke also rewind?
- Who is watching the Oceanic 6?
- Why does Michael see Christian Shephard? Why does Christian tell him that he can go now?
- Why does Sun approach Charles Widmore? What business does she want to do with him?
- Why does Ben apologize for making Locke's life so miserable? Does he meant it?
- Why does Ben think Jacob wants to punish him?
- Where did the frozen donkey wheel come from? Is it from the Black Rock? Who built it?
- Why can't the person who turns the frozen donkey wheel come back to the island?
- Did the island move when Desmond turned the key?
- Did the moving of the island cause a tsunami?
- Where did the island go?
- How does the island move?
- Why does Kate see Claire? Is it a vision, a dream, or the Smoke Monster?
- Why does Claire advise Kate not to bring 'him' back?
- How could Jack not believe that the island is special after all this time?
- How does Ben know that Locke has to be brought back to the island?
- Kate slapping Jack. It's about all she's good for.
- "I'm fine." Jack "Of course you're fine. You're always fine." Sawyer
- "So what's the plan, Sundance?" Sawyer "The plan is we wait till--" Sawyer [They hear what sounds like a zipper zipping. They swing around, pointing their weapons toward the source of the sound, rustling branches. Through the foliage they see Hurley, apparently finishing up some business.] "Hugo?" Sawyer
- "Boom." Jin
- Locke looking for the Anthuriums at The Orchid Station. Great directions, Ben.
- Sayid and Keamy's fight. Sayid is so badass. Keamy is like twice his size and Sayid can roll with him.
- "Hey, Walt." Hurley "Hey, Hurley." Walt "You're getting big, Dude." Hurley
- "What the hell they talkin' about in there, anyway?" Sawyer "I don't know. Leader stuff?" Hurley [Sawyer scoffs. He eyes Hurley's wrapper of crackers.] "Where'd you get that?" Sawyer "Came from a box Ben dug up out of the ground. They're good." Hurley
- "Couldn't find the Anthuriums, could you?" Ben "I don't know what they look like." Locke
- "Didn't you tell him?" Ben "I tried." Locke
- "Lie to them, Jack. If you do it half as well as you lie to yourself, they'll believe you." Locke
- "Uh, who told you you could eat those peanuts?" Rose "May--may I eat these peanuts?" Miles "I'm gonna keep my eye on you, shorty." Rose
- "Miles, no, uh, uh, I don't think I'm getting across the... direness of the circumstance." Daniel "Oh, no, you're very dire, but I'm still gonna stay." Miles
- "How deep is the station?" Locke "Deep." Ben
- I love when Ben gives Locke the VHS tape to watch while he's busy. It's like Locke is a little kid and Ben is the parent, just trying to keep his kid occupied while he gets work done.
- "Is this the magic box?" Locke "No, John, it's not." Ben "What is all this stuff for?" Locke "Same thing that all the DHARMA stations are for..silly experiments." Ben "What kind of experiments?" Locke "You know what, John? Why don't you watch this very informative video that will answer some of your questions?...And I'll take care of some business." Ben
- "Hey. Uh..was he talking about what I think he was talking about?" Locke "If you mean time-travelling bunnies, then yes." Ben "You do know that he said specifically not to put anything metal in here." Locke
- "He say somethin' to tick you off, Freckles?" Sawyer "Didn't kill that one." Kate "Well, which one did you kill?" Sawyer
- "Let's go, Freckles. I've seen enough of this rock." Sawyer
- "You just killed everybody on that boat." Locke "So?" Ben
- Sawyer shows complete growth as a character by sacrificing himself to save his friends.
- Sayid killing a dude for telling him the time is 8:15.
- "I think visiting hours are over, Dude." Hurley "This is not a visit." Sayid
- "Did he say "bomb"?" Jack
- "Hello, John. Welcome home." Richard Alpert
- "I can't believe he did it." Hurley "Who did what?" Jack "Locke. He moved the island." Hurley "No, he didn't." Jack "Oh, really? 'Cause one minute it was there, and the next it was gone, so...unless we, like, overlooked it, Dude, that's exactly what he did. But, if you've got another explanation, man, I'd love to hear it." Hurley
- "Jack, now I know I'm new to this group and everything, but isn't this the place where everybody starts jumping up and down and hugging each other?" Lapidus
- Desmond and Penny's reunion. Awesomeness.
- "Don't let him find you, Desmond. And I'll see you in another life, brother." Jack "Aye. I guess you will." Desmond
- We return to the flashforward scene from the end of Through the Looking Glass, "The Rattlesnake in the Mailbox," if you will, and resume where they left off, after Kate drove away from Jack. Turns out she stopped the car, and Jack's beard got some Just for Men in the meantime. The plane that flies over them has also mysteriously disappeared.
- It would be really funny if LOST or a fan made a video of Jack saying "We have to go back!" and Kate driving away, only to stop the car, go back and say "We have to go back? We have to go back?" then getting back in her car, driving away, Jack screams again "We have to go back!" and rinse and repeat.
- The fact that no one visited Walt after they left the island is really sad.
- Every time Locke says "it's not an island," I always think he's going to say something completely crazy after that, like "It's purgatory" or "We're living on a giant turtle shell!"
- I still have nightmares about Sun's heart-wrenching screams. Seriously, superb acting by Yunjin Kim.
- Upon seeing this the first time, I totally never expected the Penny and Desmond reunion to happen so soon. I don't think anyone did. It was a really great surprise in this episode at the time, though it only made me feel doomed for the end of their story. I expected this to happen toward the end of the series. I also thought that maybe the writers should have left their story at that, instead of stringing Desmond along in Season 5, and most likely Season 6. Unless Desmond makes a surprising comeback and we finally find out why he really is so special, I believe they should have let Desmond and Penny's story end happily, and at the height of the viewer's interest.
- I absolutely was not expecting Penny to show up in this episode. After The Constant, I think that was the most anyone expected for a Desmond and Penny reunion for a while, so The Searcher showing up in this episode totally caught me off guard. So glad it did though. I think that scene is probably one of the biggest payoffs in LOST thus far.
- I always thought Hurley saying "Checkmate, Mr. Eko" and Mr. Eko not being there was really cheap and so lame. They shouldn't have done it if they weren't going to get the actor for that scene.They should've done it with an actor who could've been there or not done it at all. Considering, we see Charlie when Hurley sees Charlie, it's kind of a cop-out to not have Mr. Eko actually there.
- So, Walt is like 25 now? Seriously.
- I was really disappointed when Hurley didn't give Walt the money he owed him from losing backgammon.
- From Lostpedia: Hurley is seen opening a Fruit Roll-Up with the words "Molly Fisher" on it, where the name of the flavor should be. "Molly Fisher" is the name of a mysterious rock in Kent, Connecticut, near a body of water known as the Hatch pond. It appears to have inscriptions of ruins and hieroglyphs that have yet to be deciphered.
- You get it? There's no place like home. There's no place like home. There's no place like home. Parts 1, 2 & 3. Very punny, Darlton.
- While Locke is watching the Orientation video for The Orchid, the tape starts to rewind, and if you watch closely, Locke also starts to rewind. It's pretty cool. I remember catching this the first time it aired.
- The scene where the rafties discover The Searcher, the light coming toward them, they scream for it, is very reminiscent of the scene in Exodus, Part 2, where the others come upon Michael, Walt, Jin and Sawyer on the raft.
- The conversation that Jack and Locke have at The Orchid is very reminiscent, and even references the very same conversation they had in Exodus, Part 2.
- Jeremy Bentham was influenced by John Locke and David Hume. That was a big clue that it was John Locke who was in the coffin.
- The scene where Sun tells Michael that she's pregnant is so awkward. I don't know why they had to throw that in there. Michael and Sun did not have an affair. Michael ain't Sun's baby daddy. Enough already.
- Jack is an idiot. After everything he's seen on the island, he still says that it's just an island, and even denies the islands disappearance after witnessing it with his own eyes. He's always in denial. He needs to man up and admit that Locke was actually right about what he was saying at The Orchid. Plus, I love the dig by Locke.
- This episode really seemed like the series finale, because, since the beginning of the show, most people assumed that they show would end with them getting off the island. However, I think Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse's decision to show us that well-before the ending is a pretty awesome and ballsy move. They show us that they get off the island first, then they show us what happens to them off the island, then how they got off the island. I really appreciate the clever, non-linear story-telling. It makes the story so much more interesting, than say, a show like--cough--HEROES.
- The Casimir Effect states that the same matter cannot occupy the same space, e.g. when traveling through time, you cannot come into contact with your former or future self.
- Keamy's "life insurance policy" would never get a signal that deep underground, and then send it out to a boat that's miles away. Completely unrealistic, but I'll roll with the punches.
- Ben murdering Keamy via about a million stabbings disturbs the hell out of me.
- I really don't like the way that they handled the killing off of Michael's character. Harold Perrineau is one of the biggest reasons that I started watching LOST and I believe he deserved a lot more respect than he got, especially after all the hype of Michael's return to the show, only to have him in a few episodes, and then get killed off at the end of the season.
- When Ben goes down to the frozen donkey wheel, he falls and cuts his arm on the broken ladder, which is the same cut that is seen in Ben's flashforward in The Shape of Things to Come.
- The moving of the island is very similar to the effects of Desmond turning the failsafe key in Live Together, Die Alone.
- The visual effects of the island moving are phenomenal.
- The white rabbit from Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is seen on Aaron's bedroom door.
- From Lostpedia: When reversed, the inaudible phone call Kate receives in her dream appears to be "The island needs you, you have to go back before it's too late."
- The Oceanic 6 were rescued on Day 108. It's awesome how that worked out.
- Jack says "See you in another life, brother" to Desmond as he departs, just as Desmond said to him in Man of Science, Man of Faith.
- "The Frozen Donkey Wheel" was a codename used by producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, referring to the secret scene in the Season 4 finale. Secret codenames have been used in every finale of LOST thusfar, however, this episode literally featured a frozen donkey wheel. Although, "The Frozen Donkey Wheel" was used as a deference from the actual surprisingly secret-ending scene of John Locke being revealed as Jeremy Bentham and the man in the coffin.
- As not to spoil the viewers for the final scene in this episode, several alternate scenes where shot, one with Sawyer in the coffin as Jeremy Bentham and one with Desmond as well. So glad it wasn't Desmond! Although, John Locke is really the only one that would have made sense and I can't believe I didn't see it sooner. Who else would Jack be so distraught over, leaving Kate baffled about it? It all makes sense now.
During San Diego Comic-Con, in 2007, a video was shown of outtakes from Dr. Edgar Halliwax filming The Orchid Orientation film. If you watch and listen closely, something very interesting seems to happen while filming this Orientation video for the DHARMA Initiative.
Here is the actual Orientation film from The Orchid, shown in this episode. If you watch closely, you can see John Locke literally rewind himself along with the VHS Orientation film involuntarily rewinding itself.
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